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2011 Mercedes-Benz E550 Cabriolet

There accept been letters about the appraisement for the 2011 Mercedes-Benz E-class Cabriolet. With the Cabriolet’s bigger admeasurement and added equipment, it ability appear as a abruptness to buyers that it is priced analogously to the abate CLK convertible it replaces.

A agent appear that Mercedes-Benz expects the E-class soft-top to be priced at about $56,000 for the V-6 E350 and about $65,000 for the V-8 E550 (which makes it about $8,000 added big-ticket than the auto on which the Cabriolet is based). Mercedes is befitting appraisement advice from the accessible until the Cabriolet goes on auction on May 10.

A auto and a auto in the new-generation E-class ancestors had been launched endure June. And this June, a base wagon goes on sale. Mercedes-Benz had adopted a fold-down bendable top for the E-class convertible rather than a harder top.

The CLK convertible and auto were based on the abate C class; however, they were discontinued at the end of the 2009 archetypal year with the June barrage of the new E-class coupe. The Cabriolet, which uses the E-class auto platform, is about 185 inches long.

Comparably, it is seven inches beneath than the E-class auto and two inches best than the asleep CLK. Christian Frueh, arch architect for the auto and convertible, said that admitting its bendable top, the new convertible is a “four seasons, four people” car primarily because of added abundance features.

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New 2011 Mercedes-Benz SL550

2011 Mercedes-Benz SL550

Redesigned in 2009, the SL-Class charcoal the a lot of exceptional Mercedes roadster. The two accessible models for the U.S. bazaar are the SL550 and SL600, while Europeans shoppers can aswell opt for the bottom SL350 and SL280.

The bigger changes to the SL band afterward the 2009 amend are to the foreground of the car. The car now has CLS-style headlamps to accompaniment the new bonanza and grille. Meanwhile, the taillights accept been aggrandized with LEDs and a aesthetic shape.

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The SL550 and SL600's engines abide unchanged. The above has a 5.5-liter V8 carrying 382 application at 6000 rpm and 391 pound-feet of torque amid 2,800 and 4,800 rpm. The closing is motivated by a 517 application twin-turbo V12, carrying 612 pound-feeet of torque from 1900 rpm up to 3500 rpm. Both models now accept factionally bigger ammunition economy.

The car's council arrangement has been bigger to affection a capricious arbor ratio, which adjusts in band with the council angle, accretion acutely as anon as this alcove 5 degrees. All of which agency that, compared to a council arrangement with a connected ratio, the disciplinarian does not accept to move the council caster as abundant if cornering.

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New lighting technology

A new appearance isn't the alone affair the SL's new headlights accept traveling for them. The units are able as accepted with able bi-xenon bulbs that are purportedly added able and added energy-efficient than commensurable LED headlamps.

Now accessible is the Intelligent Ablaze System, featuring 5 audible functions, which are automatically selected. They are: country mode, motorway mode, added fog lamps, cornering ablaze action and alive ablaze function.

Motorway approach is activated in two stages if the acceleration exceeds 56 mph, accretion the driver's ambit of eyes by up to 60 percent. If the alive ablaze action is activated, the headlamps axis to the ancillary in band with the council angle if the disciplinarian enters a bend, acceptance them to see about 80 anxiety added into a continued bend. The cornering ablaze action is activated automatically at speeds beneath 44 mph.

Interior

The autogenous has been bigger with bigger seats, a new-look three-spoke covering council wheel, and a absolutely restyled apparatus cluster.

As anon as the agitation is switched on, the cockpit instruments grab the driver's attention: the red speedometer and rev adverse all-overs are woken from their "six o' alarm position", circle already about the dials to their best ethics and again backslide to their aught positions.

In agreement of materials, there are two types of covering to accept from, as able-bodied as 5 altered aluminium or fine-wood trims and 5 blush combinations. The SL 600 underlines its top announcement with acutely bendable Exclusive nappa covering and trim elements in affected poplar wood.

The Airscarf arrangement aboriginal apparent on the SLK provides amore to the disciplinarian and commuter for top-down motoring in acknowledgment weather. The blower and heating are now congenital in the arch rests for bigger comfort.

Features

Mercedes has bigger its COMAND infotainment system, which provides admission to information, ball and communications. New additions cover a Bluetooth receiver and a beyond 6.5-inch blush display.

An iPod can now be absolutely chip with the COMAND system, acknowledgment to the new UCI (Universal Consumer Interface). The affection allows the iPod music advance to be adumbrated on the apparatus array and on the COMAND affectation in the centermost console.

Customers can accouter the new SL with the Harman Kardon "Logic7" complete system, which is aswell acclimated in the S-Class. The complete arrangement has an achievement of 510 watts.

2010 Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG

The Mercedes-Benz C 63 AMG is the most potent version of the German automaker's C-Class sedan. The car delivers a whopping 457 horsepower, putting it comfortably ahead of BMW's all-new M3. With that amount of performance on tap, and a price to match the M3, Mercedes looks to steal at least a few sales away from its cross-country rival.

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In typical AMG fashion, the C63 features large performance-oriented tires and wheels, an aggressive bodykit, a much sportier interior, and suspension and chassis improvements.

Unlike the M3’s small displacement V8, the C63 uses a big 6.2L V8. The C63’s powerplant is good for 443 lb-ft of torque and 457 horsepower. The torque curve of the engine is just as impressive as its output: from 2000 to 6250 rpm the driver always has more than 360 pound-feet on tap �' ideal for powerful acceleration in any engine speed range.

The sprint to 62 mph takes a scant 4.5 seconds according to Mercedes -- and that's likely a conservative estimate: real world acceleration is typically even quicker than claimed times.

Maximum torque of 443 pound-feet comes at 5000 rpm. The torque curve is equally impressive: from 2000 to 6250 rpm the driver always has more than 360 pound-feet on tap -- ideal for powerful acceleration in any engine speed range.

A new seven-speed AMG automatic transmission with paddle shifting provides a wide range of driving modes. The different modes are "S" (Sport), " C" (Comfort) and "M" (Manual). Gearshifts in "S" mode are around 30 percent faster than in "C", and no less than around 50 percent faster in "M" mode.

The C 63 AMG owes its outstanding handling dynamics to the AMG sports suspension and an all-new three-link front axle design. The stiff configuration of the springs and gas-pressure shock absorbers ensures optimal road contact and low body movements when negotiating serpentine bends at speed.

The new front axle has a 35-millimetre wider track �' visible by the more widely flared wheel arches �' and therefore ensures lower dynamic wheel loads when cornering.

The front brakes have size 360 x 36-millimeter discs with six-piston fixed callipers, while deceleration at the rear is handled by 330 x 26-millimeter discs with four-piston fixed callipers.

The Electronic Stability Program offers a variety of settings. In "ESP ON" mode, the onset of handling instability leads to braking intervention at one or more of the wheels, accompanied by a reduction in engine torque. Briefly pressing the ESP key activates "ESP SPORT". In this mode the braking intervention to counter oversteer or understeer, as well as the accompanying reduction in engine torque, allows a higher dynamic threshold. Prolonged pressure on the ESP key activates "ESP OFF," whereby there is no intervention.

Pricing

There is no doubt that Mercedes-Benz is squarely taking aiming at BMW's M3 with its all-new C63 AMG Sedan, and that rivalry will be reflected in the car's price. Mercedes has announced that its C63 AMG will come with a base sticker price of $53,800 -- the exact same price of entry for BMW's M3 sedan.

2010 Mercedes-Benz S550 4Matic

2010 Mercedes-Benz S550 4Matic
2010 Mercedes-Benz S550 4Matic
2010 Mercedes-Benz S550 4Matic
The 2009 S-Class is a 4-door, 5-passenger luxury sedan, or luxury sports sedan, available in 4 trims, ranging from the S550 to the S600. Without a doubt one of the most amazing cars ever to roll out of a Mercedes dealership. Drives great, extremely comfortable and roomy and performs like a dream. and the 4MATIC is amazing in the snow and I am totally comfortable driving in any weather. I have 2 young kids as well and they are totally comfortably riding in the back for hours and we can take a road trip with no problems whatsoever. Also, plenty of trunk space. The steering can be a little bit wobbly sometimes but for a car that size it drives unbelievably anyways so just a few steering issues is really nothing. The cold weather package is sometimes a pain in the neck to try and sync up all the seats to heat and to get the inside a right temperature but compared to our other cars it's really not so bad! It's also an extremely safe car, although fortunately we haven't had to see that side of it yet. As for the low reliability rating I gave it, we had a few general problems with the car as soon as we hit 40,000 miles, just problems with the engine cooling systems and the air conditioner, but they were under warranty and didn't cost us anything to repair, but it was kind of annoying having a $100,000 car not be 100% working. Anyways, overall it's an unbelievable car and I would recommend it to anybody
Upon introduction, the S550 is equipped with a standard 5.5-liter, V8, 382-horsepower engine that achieves 14-mpg in the city and 22-mpg on the highway. A 7-speed automatic transmission with overdrive is standard. The S600 is equipped with a standard 5.5-liter, V12, 510-horsepower, turbo engine that achieves 11-mpg in the city and 17-mpg on the highway. A 5-speed automatic transmission with overdrive is standard.
Pros
Absolutely everything
Cons
Steering can be a little iffy and the cold weather package is kind of complicated to warm the car up Purchased As New

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2010 Mercedes ML450 Hybrid 4MATIC Luxury Minibus

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Mercedes-Benz SLK300 Wallpaper

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2008 Mercedes-Benz E-Class Wallpapers

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New 2007 Mercedes-Benz SLK350

The Porsche Boxster and the BMW Z4 are about to get their comeuppance. Later this year, at some multilane intersection somewhere in these United States, an unsuspecting Boxster S driver is going to glance into the next lane and see a 2005 Mercedes-Benz SLK, its new, 3.5-liter, 24-valve V-6 burbling under the newly sculpted hood. The Porsche owner, accustomed to treating SLKs with the contempt usually reserved for a buzzing fly, will regard the new Benz with only casual and condescending interest. But then he will notice the SLK driver's look of keen anticipation, and suddenly it will dawn on him that, laughable as it may seem, his precious Porsche is being invited to participate in the latest round of the world's longest race, the stoplight grand prix. With an SLK! A car that for years has been the wimpiest, girliest little German roadster this side of an Audi TT. Wouldn't it be cool to be at that intersection and see that Porsche driver's face the first time a 2005 Mercedes-Benz SLK350 smokes his butt into yesterday?

OK, we might be
stretching a bit. Mercedes estimates a 0-to-60-mph time of 5.5 seconds for the new SLK350, which is at least fully competitive with the Boxster S and the Z4, if not literally fast enough to beat them. The little Merc is no longer an effete, poseur mall crawler; and no longer is its retractable hard top its principal virtue. It's now a real, honest-to-Hans sports car, and it finally looks like one, too.

The SLK's transformation started with its body and chassis, seriously weak and flabby in the outgoing car. On paper, the improvements are expressed as 46 percent greater torsional rigidity and a nearly 20 percent increase in bending stiffness, partly the results of a body shell made from a new cocktail of high-tensile steel, aluminum, and magnesium, with a few garnishes of fiber-reinforced plastic. On the road, progress is measured by a chatty chassis that incessantly tells the driver what's going on under those four Pirelli P Zero contact patches. For anyone who has spent time in the first SLK, pushing the new car over a challenging road will be a revelation. It feels, sounds, and acts like a thoroughbred.

The SLK's stiffer body cradles improved suspension, steering, and brakes, as well as a new powertrain. The previous control-arm front suspension has been replaced by a strut-type design, which provides well-snubbed damping and good ride comfort. Rack-and-pinion steering replaces the recirculating-ball format. The SLK doesn't match the Boxster's steering feel and feedback, but it's on par with the Z4 and far surpasses the TT. In the mountain switchbacks of Mallorca, where we had to keep decelerating for hundreds of professional cyclists grinding up hillsides in preparation for the Tour de France, the powerful brakes never faded.

We have few fond memories of the original SLK's supercharged, 185-horsepower, 2.3-liter four-cylinder engine, which delivered reasonable performance but always sounded as if it had a bad cold. That problem was addressed originally by the introduction in 2001 of the optional 215-horsepower, 3.2-liter V-6 and then in 2002 with the SLK32 AMG's supercharged, 349-horsepower V-6. Yet no matter how much power was speaking up from under the hood, the SLK's complaisant chassis was, unfortunately, dominating the conversation. For 2005, Mercedes ditches the raspy blown four altogether, and we doubt any tears will be shed over the loss.

New 2003 Mercedes-Benz G500

Sainte-Catherine-de-la-Jacques-Cartier, Qubec-- The Ice Hotel first manifested its strange power well before my stay there, when my wife awoke from her night's sleep, waking me, too, and said, "I dreamed I was at the Ice Hotel." I asked what she'd done there. "I went to the bar for a drink." My Mormon wife never boozes, but the concept of vodka served in vessels of ice kind of grabs you.

So I began to wonder what I would dream when at last I slept in the Ice Hotel. My premonition, weirdly logical, was of being encased in amber. This did not deter me. In fact, I could hardly wait to go to Qubec because of the Ice Hotel's allure and because I would be driving the towering and indomitable Mercedes-Benz G500, the famous Gelndewagen, available at last in our market. Every element of the plan suggested adventure tinged with self-indulgence and mystery.

Even in advance of her dream, my warmblooded wife had declined the invitation to accompany me, but research assistant Reilly Brennan volunteered to come along. We would rendezvous with the photo team in Sainte-Catherine-de-la-Jacques-Cartier, a place much smaller than its name, lying northwest of Qubec, the provincial capital. And so, one day before sunrise, we climbed up and up into the G500 and blazed eastward across Ontario, led by the three-pointed morning star on the grille. (By my count, the constellation of three-pointed stars on board totaled nine fixed members.) When we climbed out for gas, which happened quite often, the people of Canada managed to hide their disappointment at learning we were not hip-hop stars, drug lords, or professional linebackers. Since the moment the G500 had gone on sale six weeks before, about a quarter of the 2000 units Mercedes hoped to sell this year had already moved. "It's the rapper's vehicle du jour," my editor told me. If so, then rappers have discovered the need for an ultra-luxury brute-ute equipped with three locking differentials and willing and able to climb a 58-percent grade.

At the second fueling, at a Napanee, Ontario, truck stop, I mistakenly grabbed the diesel nozzle. The G500 makes its 292 horsepower--and its soulful baritone tremolo--with premium unleaded, thank you, and I caught the error straightaway; nevertheless, this incident would come back to haunt me. Meanwhile, as I pumped 72.7 liters (19.2 gallons) into the tank for $45 Canadian, the guy at the next island sang out the G500's praises. "It's beautiful," he said in Hockey Voice, the oddly inflected and rather heavily cadenced English of Ontario. "Kinda looks like a Hummer." Someone else would say this later. To respond that the G-class antedates the Hummer was a waste of my precious breath, which needed to be saved for future shivering. A Hummer? No, no, the G500 looks like a NATO ambulance.

When we crossed through Montral, a French news station gave the day's stock prices, and the traffic reporter told of a truck that had discharged its load just ahead. We arrived at the Ice Hotel three hours later, well after dark. We saw construction equipment, a pole supporting floodlights, and a confusing array of tent-shaped barracks made of snow. I fancied that I had arrived at Prudhoe Bay or maybe the South Pole research station. The strange spiritual power, so strongly registered at home, barely nudged the needle now.

This initial sense of anticlimax was dispelled as soon as we entered the hotel, passing through a portal in a wall of beautiful ice blocks and finding ourselves in a salon with floor and walls of snow and splendid ice carvings everywhere we turned. One massive sculpture of flowing abstract shapes included the detailed representation of an Inuit hunter with a seal across his kayak's bow. Hanging from the cathedral ceiling was a classic-looking chandelier, also of ice, glowing pink, then blue, then white because of integrated fiber-optic lines. Whenever we expressed our wonder, the drifting vapor clouds carried farther from our lips than our voices did.

Just ahead was another rectangular opening; I am five feet, eight inches tall and could barely get through. This room was the theater, with snow formed into four broad steps and deerskins spread for lolling viewers. I was more curious about the wedding chapel, entered from the passageway between the welcome salon and the bar. (A chapel and bar together!) Built in the traditional cross shape, it had pews of pure ice. There was an altar and a pulpit--always of ice; all the Ice Hotel's furniture was fashioned from blocks of ice--but instead of a crucifix in this province with every other place named for les saints, I found on the wall an eight-pointed New Age star. Or was it a snowflake?



New 2003 Mercedes-Benz CLK500

If every moment you spend in a car needs to be a screamer, buy a BMW. But if you are inclined to appreciate the many other subtleties of fine motoring, you'll find the new Mercedes-Benz CLK500 to be a real sweetheart.

We are pleased to say the pillarless hardtop CLK looks better in person than we were led to believe; it's not as fluffy as pictures had indicated. The hood dips dramatically between twin bulges that open into a robust collection of headlamps (Bi-xenon are a must-have option), and the ubiquitous three-pointed star has dropped from hoodtop to mid-grille.

The interior sports a higher level of cush than your basic Spartan Bimmer, with puckered-leather door inserts, vents and gauges ringed in chrome, and flared chrome that sweeps across the glovebox and the burl walnut door trim panels.

Instrumentation is black and white; the speedo, tachometer, and clock are all round and boldly numbered, and auxiliary instruments are vertically hashed. The air bag housing in the center of the steering wheel is smaller than usual, and four big oval thumbpads offer remote control of the radio and telephone.

The CLK seats fit snugly, and we can say that, as luxurious as you would describe its ride, the CLK is far from a mere luxo-barge. Our morning commute includes a nicely cambered set of turns that the CLK flew through neatly, with not a bobble or sidestep. We have emerged faster in Porsches and Bimmers from that section of road, but we didn't miss the extra exit speed once we saw the county sheriff parked in the weeds aimed directly at our driver's license. He pulled behind us, ruining the fun for another five miles, but eventually gave up and let us have our head for the rest of the drive.

This sounds a little stupid, but we also had a fun time this weekend showing off the CLK's bag of little tricks. It's been a long time since a car's features have so cracked us up that we've wanted to tug on people's sleeves and say, 'You have got to check this out!"

So it is with M-B's Keyless Go, which works like this: You walk up to the locked CLK with the key still parked in your pocket and you pull open the securely locked door— a wonderful bonus when your arms are full of groceries. You jump in (key still in pocket), put your foot on the brake, and press the button on top of the shifter, and the 302-hp, 5.0-liter V-8 (a 212-hp, 3.2-liter V-6 is standard) roars to life. Shift back in Park, press the button on top again, and the CLK shuts down. Hop out, press the tiny square on the outside of the door handle, and the CLK is locked up tight once again. Great party trick, along with demos of the dash-controlled rear-window sunshade and the seatbelt presenter—a robot arm that pops out to hand you your shoulder harness when you get in either front seat.

Our test car's options also included Distronic cruise control which automatically keeps you at a safe distance from the car in front despite your speed setting. We had it set at 80 mph, marked on the speedo by a small glowing hash mark, and it slowed almost imperceptibly to 65—like a squeeze of the brakes—as we neared a bulge in the traffic. A couple more hash marks popped up on the speedo to show the adjustment. Once the traffic cleared, the CLK took itself back to 80 mph.



New Mercedes-Benz C230 Kompressor Sport

It doesn't sound like a Mercedes," opined my passenger. She had a point. The supercharged, sixteen-valve, 1.8-liter DOHC in-line four in the C230 Kompressor has the aural quality of a vacuum cleaner. It's a pity, because the engine actually is a good performer, making 189 horsepower and 192 pound-feet of torque--21 horsepower and 15 pound-feet more than the C240's 2.6-liter V-6. Mercedes claims the C230 sedan can scoot from 0 to 60 mph in 7.6 seconds.

The engine is an all-new piece, not the one found in the 1999-2001 C230 Kompressor. Despite the new four's smaller displacement (the old car had a full 2.3 liters under the hood), Mercedes decided there was currency with the C230 moniker. Whatever the nomenclature, this is the new entry-level C-class sedan, aimed at younger (read: less affluent) buyers.

The C230 Kompressor is one of two new C-class Sport Sedans (the C320 Sport Sedan is the other); the models obviate last year's $3000 Sport option package. The cars have a restyled front end, textured aluminum cabin trim, and broadly bolstered seats. The C230 has a six-speed manual gearbox (a five-speed automatic is optional) as well as seven-spoke wheels with 225/45ZR-17 tires and a sport-tuned suspension that is calibrated differently than the old sport package's.

The C230's price--a low, low $28,710--is likely to be its most compelling aspect to most buyers, because it includes such niceties as automatic climate control, a multifunction steering wheel, and partial leather seats. A CD player is not part of the deal, however.

Despite the engine's unmelodious note and the stick shift's rubbery and imprecise linkage, the C230 is the most entertaining, most agile C-class model. The suspension gives much better body control with seemingly no diminution of ride quality, and the car feels better balanced than the heavier V-6-powered cars.

The C230 sedan finally reveals the inherent goodness of the C-class chassis: It feels like a real competitor to the BMW 325i. Too bad it doesn't sound like one.



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